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·¢ÐÅÈË: bravohero (bravo), ÐÅÇø: AdvancedEdu 
±ê Ìâ: F-2 visa, Nov.12, Beijing Embassy 
·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Thu Nov 13 04:29:23 1997) 
 
Until 11:00 AM, Nov.12, 3 gilrs got approved and 1 failed. Their I-20s appeared to be: 8b-7a=13,000, 
 12,000, 14,000. They did not go into the office behind the gate and a gold haired man approved them, the 
 one who rejected me in Sept. I did not wait until the last one finished as they were too many people today 
 and all second-time ( or third, fourth-time )applicants were asked to go back and come tomorrow. About 
 ten F-2s were waiting and most of them are the first-time applicants. They all have full covers on their 
 I-20s. The queue went very slow today. I did not see the results of other F-2s and went back to the office. 
 
 
 A12989@email.com 

·¢ÐÅÈË: zhu2 (¹·âµ(badge)), ÐÅÇø: AdvancedEdu 
±ê Ìâ: Re: Plane ticket 
·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Sun Nov 16 04:18:51 1997) 
 
Yes, She got her f-2 visa on Nov. 13. 
This id the first application. 
My I-20: 
7a: 14394.90 
7b: 10600.00 
7c: 6106.00 
7 total: 31100.90 
 
8a: 5600.08 
8b:31759.72 
8 total: 37359.80 
8b-7a=17400 
 
Guizhi asker three questions(all in Chinese) 
What is the name of your husband¡? 
When did you marry? 
When did your husband go to US? 
then gave her yellow ticket. 
 
PS: Now Guizhi will check all your information, 
My wife told me that 
when her went to the embassy to take the visa, 
two girls before her two 
girls w eres refused aithough they had 
gotton the yellow ticket ogirls were refused aithought they had 
obtained the yellow ticket one day before. 
 
 
Good lucky to all of you. 
the ¾ ÔÚ kmy (ying) µÄ´ó×÷ÖÐÌáµ½: ¡¿ 
¡Ã has your wife gotten her visa? if so would you give us some 
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·¢ÐÅÈË: speed (Èç·ç¡¤ÓÐÄãÅã±ðÎÞËùÇó), ÐÅÇø: AdvancedEdu 
±ê Ìâ: letter from family mailing list 
·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Sun Nov 16 06:06:43 1997) 
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:49:12 -0500 
Reply-To: family@ifcss.org

Originator: family@ifcss.org

Sender: family@ifcss.org

From: "Liu, Jun" <jun.liu@vanderbilt.edu>

To: Multiple recipients of list <family@ifcss.org>

Subject: news from Beijing 
X-Comment: 
X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.1 Build (17) 
 
Hi, everyone, 
 
My wife called me yesterday and told me something about the 
situation in Beijing. A consular officer is placed at the 
main entrance of the consulate department to preview the 
I-20 form. If the fund from school minus the tuition(i.e. 
the net stipend) is above $15,000, the officer will grant 
the F-2 application immediately. If this amount is a little 
less than $15,000(for example $14,000 or 13,000) the 
officer will let the applicant enter to receive further 
review. If the amount is far from $15,000 or the fund from 
school is less than the tuition, the officer will reject 
the application and the applicant even has no opportunity 
to enter the embassy. It is said that the daily total 
applicants are around 300(the number of F-2 applicants is 
not clear), and the successful F-2 applicants are about 7 
to 8 (including the visiting parents)in best situation, and 
it also happened that none of the F-2 applicants was 
granted the visa in certain day. 
---------------------------------------------------------------- 
Liu, Jun 
Vanderbilt University 
Email: jun.liu@Vanderbilt.Edu

·¢ÐÅÈË: lisl (haha), ÐÅÇø: AdvancedEdu 
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·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Wed Nov 19 14:56:07 1997) 
 
from www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbc.cgi/mb19975 
 
I was rejected the second time on Nov.17. One gril succeeded, with 8b-7a=1,6000. 
According to those F2s who were waiting outside that two male applicants passed 
with 8b-7a=13,000, but I did not see them. I met a girl who failed last Friday, 
Nov.14. Her 8b-7a=13,900. She said the consular just took 30 second to look at 
her I-20 and then decided to stamp her a rejection. 
 
The first time applicants were not so much yesterday so about 80 second time 
applicants were allowed to apply. Most were requested to go into the room which 
is behind the gate for interview. Three consular in that room yesterday. One 
huang mao and one Asian man and a female Taiwaness. I was fully aware that the 
two Asian are very strict and they seldom approve F2s. But I had not choice as 
my passort was collected as soon as I entered that room. The three took passort 
one by one and you could not tell whom you would meet. I was so unfortunate 
yesterday -- I met the Taiwaness at last!!! She glanced the meno which shows 
that my husband is receiving $15,000 each year and our bank statement of 
$12,000. She asked me two questions: 
 When did your husban leave for US? 
 How much do you earn each month? 
I said: " RMB4000. I work in Motorola. Suddenly I had a feeling that she was 
going to refuse me. I was right --- when she asked your salary, it means that 
you will not be approved. Then she began to write something on my application 
form and told me: Sorry, your husband's fiancial situation is still not good 
enough. I did not explain anything to her for I know it is useless. She is a 
DEVIL. I will give up next time as soon as I know she's there. Here I remind 
every applicant: Try to avoid Asians. They are the devil. 

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±ê Ìâ: take care F1&F2 
·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Sun Nov 23 12:19:07 1997) 
 
I was refused on 17 Nov.by the nicest consul with 8b-7a=13000.00 and some 
personal fund. I did not imform this bad news to my husband till 21 Nov for 
I myself was so upset and got no way to deal with this situation. I don't 
want to drive the peregrine to despair. 
 
Actually, I believe, the decision of most married F1 to study abroad is based 
on the impression year by year that it is definitely convinent for the spouse 
to get a F2 visa to take care of her/his genius. Those who can get the 
finacial support from the universities through tough competition are 
real geniuses, and it seems that the consuls know that very well. Had those 
geniuses known the situation nowadays, most, at least some F1 would 
have stayed where they were. 
 
I don't think there's much business with the consul's mood. There should be 
some reasons there and different rumors are raising. Is there anyone who 
can share the real reason with us why the situation suddenly changed? 
 
As I know, most refused F2 are so sad and cry a lot. Me too in the first 
three days after I failed. Of cource, I feel much better now, as I have 
realized that the world is full of miseries and what we are meeting is a 
really tiny one. However, some F2s have lost their jobs when they applied 
the passports. You can imange their hard condition. 
 
What I hope most is that my husband does not feel too regret and I myself can 
live a normal life. Surely it's hard for us to achieve that realm as couple 
sepreted is absulutely in an abnormal condition. But tears and remorse are 
useless, and these can hurt ourselves more. 
 
 Take care , F1 &F2 
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 FIREBIRD! 

·¢ÐÅÈË: weil (weiwei), ÐÅÇø: AdvancedEdu 
±ê Ìâ: Re: take care F1&F2 
·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Mon Nov 24 00:42:47 1997) 
 
Please don't worry about the f-2. I am sure chinese is clever eneough to 
achieve her purpose. 
My wife tred f-2 for 4 times. I don't know whether she is the poorest woman. 
But we never gave up. And thing will find its way. Last monday when I called 
back, I was surprised that she had alreaky gone to chengdu. It is said that th 
the ugliest old woman in chengdu ambassor was ill.( Maybe that is because 
she had done so much bad things before) And the man who take the place for 
her is a kind person. Two days later,She got the visa successfully. 
I know that at the same day, some poor woman were refused also, and the 
same thing happens everyday in other ambassor. But please don't give up. 
You will never succeed if you don't try. 
I don't believe that offiser in ISSOs are discussing the f-2 not turing 
back. The reason that f-2 not turing back is that the f-1 is not willing 
to go home. It is none of the bussiness with f-2. 
good luck to all f-2 applier 
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±ê Ìâ: Re: take care F1&F2 
·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS Ë®Ä¾Çå»ªÕ¾ (Mon Nov 24 09:46:44 1997) 
 
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I know this feeling, my wife was just refused last Monday. 
I was really very very sad those days. 
 
She got her visa last Thuresday, with some certificate 
from her corp., a very famous US corp.. We think the key 
problem is to convince those fools your personal fund is 
YOURS, and be confident, a person who can make $8000-10000 
in China should be very proud, you should say "Your reasoning 
is not correct, let me explain for you" instead of "May I explain.". 
 
Many of us are so humble to those fools and make them feel 
so good as if they can change our fate. Fxxx those officers. 

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